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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambi_Smiley View Post
    Where can I check if the ComPilot fits with my daughter's naida III DAZ?

    She just had her new aids 5 days ago, and after 4 hours, the Icom battery is dead. She is 15 years old and need FM at school.

    Also, when she listen to tv, the sound is jerky/intermittent. It was ok the first day, but jerky since then. I don't know if it's because she charged her Icom on the tvLink, but she can't use it now, either with cell phone or Ipod. The sound remains intermittent/jerky.

    I think I shall return the TvLink-Icom set (I paid 550$ for) for this new compilot. What do you think ? I live in Montreal, Quebec and want to help my daughter Marianne the best I can. Thanks in advance for helping me to help her.

    Sorry for my english and thanks for any help

    Suzanne
    P.S. what is the price of the Com pilot, with and without tvlink in Canada ?

    It should be if i com is compatible. Im looking on this compatibility guide and its compatible with all aids what support icom. Streaming only, remote controls work only with spice's aid.
    Ask your audy and if compatible switch it. You will get much better battery (<5 h for icom and more then 8 h for compilot of streaming time, according to phonak sheets),
    detachable neck loop (fast replace if damaged, easier to storage in bag) and also better mics on it.



    I returned Icom and tv link after week and next week will get compilot +tv link s for 460 € in europe. Little less than i paid for icom.
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    Bambi,

    Two things - the ComPilot has significantly better battery life than the iCom. I don't know about the stuttering - I had that happening with mine on Wednesday and was planning to ask around about it too.

    The other thing is - I didn't think you needed the ComPilot for the FM - just an FM boot. I don't know more about it than that, because I don't have an FM boot, but my understanding was that FM is controlled by something completely different than the ComPilot. (That doesn't mean my understanding is correct. I freely admit to not having much experience with the FM.)

    Also - yes, the ComPilot will work with your daughter's Naida. I have a Naida IX and it works just fine - any of the Phonak Spice products are supposed to work with it.
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    I believe the firmware update became available in October. It's definitely made a difference for me with regard to interference.

    Chris

    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    I had updated my iCom to the latest firmware, and I still had the interference problems. I did my update a few months ago by connecting the iCom to the iPFG software version 2.6b and checking for update. I checked again just before buying the ComPilot - so about three weeks ago - and there were no newer updates at that time. Are you saying that a new update has come out in the last few weeks?
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    Has anyone tried the ComPilot with the old TV-Link? The TV-linkS is Bluetooth 2.0, but I can't find the data on the old TV-link to see if it is Bluetooth 2.0 or 1.0.
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    Is the Phonak TVLink S available now and what is the cost?

    If anyone has it, is it as fast as claimed? That is, is the sound thru it in sync with lips on a TV?
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    Without meaning to sound snarky, the sound through the tv is rarely in sync with the lips.
    Normal left ear.
    My right ear is:
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    BC: 500 - 15 | 1K - 30 | 1.5K+ - NR

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    Quote Originally Posted by ylandra View Post
    Without meaning to sound snarky, the sound through the tv is rarely in sync with the lips.
    I think some are better than others.

    Here is a post by Dr.Amy which is extremely helpful:

    http://www.hearingaidforums.com/show...latency&page=2


    The latency is 20ms for the Unite product. Oticon and Phonak products vary from 60ms-110ms. From the research I've seen and products I've listened to (Oticon, Phonak, Resound, and Starkey) only Resound and Starkey had undetectable latency differences. Could be because Resound and Starkey product are newly available and produced so latency differences could become a thing of the past like feedback has become.

    I've heard that latency has to be above 40ms to be detected and only something a difference greater than 60ms is enough to be bothersome.

    dr. amy
    That said, I cannot find any specifics on the latency for the new Phonak TVLink S other than it's "low" whatever that means.
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    SRT speech sensitivity is AD = 25 and AS = 20
    Word discrimination is AD = 88% at 65 HL and AS = 92% at 60 HL
    Acoustic reflexes are all 95 to 100 for both ISPA and CONTRA
    My Tympanometry is said to be normal.

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    Can some of audi ask phonak what about turning own voice trough microphone of Compilot?
    If it can be done?

    My audi want to try to bring down an aid microphone, but i dont think if would help. I want to push up volume to fight noise, but only from speaker side, not from my own and its louder than other side. No chance walking in traffic and talking like on icom.

    They probably want me to hear what happening with sound, so i hear some clicking sound while walking - found that was Compilot bouncing on button on my shirt.
    Also rubbing noise...
    But that all can be said to me from other side, and that noises are not really problem for non hoh user on other side.

    On my side - if i push up (even on phone) i hear louder surrounding noise from compilot mics than in my aid in soundflow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ylandra View Post
    Without meaning to sound snarky, the sound through the tv is rarely in sync with the lips.
    A bigger problem is the echo you get if your hearing aid mic is picking up sound from the speakers and it is out of sync with the sound coming from the TV-Link. My stereo system has the ability to adjust the latency. When I am watching TV with someone else, I run the TV through the stereo system to stop the echo. I don't find lips to be that far out of sync to be a distraction.
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    I checked up a bit on the latency. There are a few factors here. Do you connect TVLink to your TV's output, or do you have a tuner with outputs? That could make an overall latency difference.
    The different manufacturers measure the latency at different stages in the system.. Some at ear drum and others in the sub system so it's hard to compare. About 40ms is more realistic/comparable for the TVLink i believe.
    (I have heard similar as Dr.Amy states. For delays under 45ms there is no real improvement.)

    The ComPilot should work with the old TVLink, but you can't use it to charge since it wont fit into the TVLink.

    I believe there is a firmware upgrade that can fix the intermittency problem for iCom.

    Naida III can use either a design integrated FM receiver (ML11i) or an FM receiver(MLxi) trough iCom.
    If you are not using the iCom for anything else then FM, then I would rather go for the design integrated receivers. Less equipment, less links and less possibility for problems. You'll not be dependent on iCom's battery life either.
    You should be able to use the streaming functions in ComPilot(if your audi sets it to streaming only), but the remote functions won't work.

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