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    DOs:
    Get the fitting software setup and ready to use first!! Do this before you start spending money on equipment. You will need the latest version of software for the latest model hearing aids. The software is free and "generally available". Though, some manufacturers like to hide it, or make it very difficult to obtain. Click >>Fitting Software<< to read more about the difficulties. Complete this first step before you proceed!! Are we clear on this requirement to complete this step first? You may ask what's the reason for doing this step first? This step is a >>free<< step. But some find this first step difficult or impossible to complete, so why start spending money for gear when you may face failure on this first step?

    Get a hearing test and then get a copy of your Audiogram/hearing loss. Don't take no for an answer when it comes to getting a copy of your Audiogram.

    Get one of these Hi-Pros...
    --Serial Hi-Pro - uses old serial cable, and separate power cord, and USB-Serial adapter with sufficient adapter-speed
    --USB Hi-Pro (USB 1.1) hard to find, being flagged on EBay for trademark violation
    --USB Hi-Pro2 (USB 2.0 = 5x faster than USB1.1) but way more expensive!
    --USB >>mini Pro<< (USB 2.0 also fast, and cheap!) <<get this one
    I am now recommending the >>mini Pro<< over the USB Hi-Pro and especially over the (Serial Hi-Pro and Hi-Pro2). Currently (in the fall 2016) the >>mini Pro<< is cheaper than even a serial Hi-Pro! Note that if you get the older serial HI-Pro you may have compatibility issues because today’s computers no longer have serial ports (see this >>post<< for more information). Since this is the most expensive piece of equipment, you may want to hold off on the Hi-Pro purchase until you understand which cables you need. HI-PRO FOOTNOTE... Sometimes your Com ports get switched around in C:\Windows\HiPro.ini and you might fix it by running the >>HI-Pro2 Install CD<<. See this >>Um bongo description<< of Windows serial Com port problems.

    Get a pair of standard CS44 programming cables. Try >>Here<<. You may also need flex strips, or boots, or pills to make the connection from the cable to hearing aid (HA). Find your manufacturer's Programming Guide, or Fitting Guide, or Cable Guide to determine what (programming cables, flex strips, boots, or pills) are needed to connect your specific model hearing aids. Hint, the Programming Guide, or Fitting Guide, or Cable Guide is usually a pdf document found in the Professional section of the manufacturer's website.

    Phonak HAs use different cables (CS44a, not the standard CS44 cables) because Phonak has pins 3&4 switched for some obscure reason. Or you could use the standard CS44 cable with a >>DIY converter<< for Phonak hearing aids.

    Buy the best/top brand used hearing aids for approximately 10% to 15% percent of retail value. This is, if you are willing to buy previous hearing aids that are one generation back. If you are in a hurry, and buy the Buy-it-Now fixed price from EBay/online vendors you will likely pay too much. These are from EBay vendors that sell every day and they keep the price as high as possible. Wait instead for used HAs from individual EBay seller auctions. The auctions are where your might pickup recent models for 10% of retail value.

    Learn where to download documents for professionals (look for a Professional tab or link on the manufacturer's website) and then learn to read fitting range specifications. Also become familiar with the features of each HA Model (low, mid, high). Pay attention to the size/length of speaker wire/receivers needed to fit your ears. Pay attention to the power of the speakers needed to fit your hearing loss. I try to get the lowest power speaker that provides enough power to fit my hearing loss. Low power speakers have less distortion and less battery drain.

    Retain your Credit card chargeback rights when buying online. That is, the transaction should be funded 100% via your credit card and not funded via your online balance, and not funded via your bank account. Then you can use credit card chargeback rights to claw back payment for a bad transaction by filing a dispute with your credit card company.


    DON'Ts:
    Don't use NOAHLink software. You don't need it. NOAHLink software is never required for any manufacturer's fitting software. Professional Audiologists need NOAHLink software to group their clients into a one NOAH database and provide interfaces to all the different manufacturer's fitting software. If you are a self programmer it is simpler to run the manufacturer's fitting software standalone and not use NOAHLink software. Note that NOAHLink also has hardware, a BlueTooth device worn around the neck to replace the Hi-Pro. Don't use >>NOAHLink hardware<< either. Keep it simple, stick with a Hi-Pro and run the manufacturer's fitting software standalone.

    imo> Don't use the iCube for Phonak/Unitron or other wireless programming devices like Airlink, FittingLINK, TruLink, etc. It/iCube has a nasty habit of freezing/locking your hearing aids and then you need to use a Hi-Pro and cables to unlock it. New in 2015 is the iCube II for Phonak Venture models, so iCube will no longer work for Venture. Plus you are limiting yourself to only Phonak/Unitron, therefore AVOID iCube/iCube II (see this >>thread<< and this >>post<< for more discussion). I know you are going to ignore this advice and use a wireless programming device anyway because (programming cables, flex strips, boots, or pills) are difficult to obtain! Okay dumb-ass, if you must use iCube here's a workaround for the freezing problem... Pop the iCube in/out of the charging cradle to enable re-connection. Never shut down the software until reconnected and programming is completed. You may want an Oticon FittingLINK really bad, but did you know you will have to use a Hi-Pro/cables/etc if you want to update your hearing aid firmware because FittingLINK can't do that!

    Don't try to self-program earlier model Kirkland Signature (KS5 and KS6) with normal Aventa fitting software because they are locked to the Costco-only version of Aventa fitting software. This does not apply beginning with KS7s which can be self-programmed with Connexx fitting software. This does not apply to Costco Phonak Brios which can be programmed with the normal version of Target fitting software.

    imo> Don't settle for the >>all-included-package<< deal for HAs plus custom programming equipment. When you buy these you are restricting yourself to a single brand and excluding the better/top brand HAs.

    Don't over pay. Study the market price for programming equipment. Know whether you need one or two pieces of equipment. It's common practice to list one item for sale (making it seem cheaper) when you need two cables/boots etc. Study the market price for the HAs and for each HA model (low, mid, high). Used HAs are no longer valued in the thousands because you have no warranty and no professional support.

    Don't expect support from your local audiologist when you program your own HAs. Though, you can still use them for things like custom earmolds. Costco is a much cheaper option for buying custom earmolds.

    Don't expect factory support for repair when you buy used HAs. You likely will have no warranty unless there is remaining warranty and you are able to get it transferred into your name. Don't try to use factory support for HAs bought on EBay as they may get confiscated. Factory support is way too expensive anyway. You will likely need to use an online Hearing Aid Repair Lab for minor repairs or even buy a replacement HA for major problems. Both are relatively cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvc View Post
    Buy the best/top brand used hearing aids for approximately 25 percent of retail value.

    Don't use NOAHLink. You don't need it. NOAHLink is never required for any fitting software. It's just database software that is used to keep track of multiple clients and multiple fitting software programs. If you are a self programmer it is simpler to run the fitting software standalone and not use NOAHLink.

    Don't use iCube for Phonak/Unitron. It/iCube has a nasty habit of freezing/locking your hearing aids and then you need to use a Hi-Pro and cables to unlock it.
    The problem with buying used hearing aids is you don't know if they're performing to specification. They may be suffering from microphone drift or receiver distortion due to shock and impact. New hearing aids undergo electroacoustical testing prior to shipment.

    NOAHlink isn't database software. It's a wireless programming interface that can be used in place of HI-PRO.

    iCube works fine for current-generation Phonak and Unitron hearing aids. If you lose communications during programming, you can repair the hearing aids by using the Reset option in the current fitting software.

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    Okay, Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasmus_braun View Post
    The problem with buying used hearing aids is you don't know if they're performing to specification. They may be suffering from microphone drift or receiver distortion due to shock and impact. New hearing aids undergo electroacoustical testing prior to shipment.
    Heavy sigh... You forgot to say that self programming is dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasmus_braun View Post
    The problem with buying used hearing aids is you don't know if they're performing to specification. They may be suffering from microphone drift or receiver distortion due to shock and impact. New hearing aids undergo electroacoustical testing prior to shipment.

    NOAHlink isn't database software. It's a wireless programming interface that can be used in place of HI-PRO.

    iCube works fine for current-generation Phonak and Unitron hearing aids. If you lose communications during programming, you can repair the hearing aids by using the Reset option in the current fitting software.

    What is considered the current Phonak aids (Spice or Quest); software Target 3 or 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rona100 View Post
    What is considered the current Phonak aids (Spice or Quest); software Target 3 or 4?
    Any hearing aid that is still available for purchase from Phonak would be considered current. This includes Spice, Quest, and Venture products.

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    great post. but for those who think there's too many steps. the first step should always be to get the programming software. some companies like widex have made it a requirement I believe to have a purchase account with them in order to download their latest compass gps programing software.

    anybody know if phonak's target software now requires some kind of online registration to be used?

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    great post. but for those who think there's too many steps. the first step should always be to get the programming software. some companies like widex have made it a requirement I believe to have a purchase account with them in order to activate their latest compass gps programing software.

    anybody know if phonak's target software now requires some kind of online registration to be used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledown View Post
    great post. but for those who think there's too many steps. the first step should always be to get the programming software. some companies like widex have made it a requirement I believe to have a purchase account with them in order to download their latest compass gps programing software.

    anybody know if phonak's target software now requires some kind of online registration to be used?
    Good point. I agree and made the first step Get The Software.
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    Yup, that's what I did, found the software 1st before getting the aids with programming software.
    Getting the software isn't as easy as the OP says it is. Takes time and a lot of wait until the right person shows up at the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurup View Post
    Yup, that's what I did, found the software 1st before getting the aids with programming software.
    Getting the software isn't as easy as the OP says it is. Takes time and a lot of wait until the right person shows up at the forum.
    I didn't mean to imply it's easy to acquire the software for all brands. It's easy for some. I will try to clarify that.
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