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  1. Default Programming the Phonak Audeo Q

    Scroll down to see all the steps for programming the Phonak Audeo Q.

    >>Links-for-Hearing-Aid-Self-Programming<< may answer questions you might have.

    This is my USB Hi-Pro. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My Hi-Pro is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My Hi-Pro, without me, is useless. Without my Hi-Pro, I am useless.


    Cable to connect USB HI-Pro to your PC


    Phonak hearing aids use special cables (CS44a, not the standard CS44 cables) because Phonak has pins 3&4 switched for some obscure reason. I used the standard CS44 cable with this special >> DIY converter <<.
    Standard CS44 Programming Cable (shown below, same as Oticon Programming Cable #3)


    Closeup of CS44 Programming Cable



    Using DIY Phonak cable converters connected between the Hi-Pro and standard CS44 cables.
    If you have Phonak CS44a cables (instead of standard CS44 cables) then don't use the DIY converters.


    Ready to connect cables to Phonak Audeo Q.


    The programming cable just plugs directly into the Phonak Audeo Q.


    All Connected: PC to Hi-Pro, to DIY-converter, to Cables, to Audeo Q.
    Ready to program with Phonak Target software.


    Note that you could also program the next generation AudeoV using this same setup.
    Except that you would need to use Phonak Target updates to update from Target 3.3 to Target 4.0
    Do this by running Target 3.3 and then use Phonak Target updates to update from Target 3.3 to Target 4.0
    Happy programming...
    Last edited by pvc; 04-26-2017 at 01:51 PM.
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    Thank you for the post.
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    I see that the CS44a plugs into the Audéo with the battery door open to allow access, and hence no battery power. But I figure using a Hi-Pro doesn't prevent in-ear fitting procedures (e.g., Target's feedback test), so therefore I conclude that the HA is powered via the CS44a. Is that right?

    (I know this may seem a dumb question, but I just want to make sure that in-ear procedures can be used.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by brec View Post
    I see that the CS44a plugs into the Audéo with the battery door open to allow access, and hence no battery power. But I figure using a Hi-Pro doesn't prevent in-ear fitting procedures (e.g., Target's feedback test), so therefore I conclude that the HA is powered via the CS44a. Is that right?

    (I know this may seem a dumb question, but I just want to make sure that in-ear procedures can be used.)
    Yes that is correct. Yes, in-ear procedures can be used.
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    brec, are you going to try programming before or after your dispenser visits are complete? just wondering how you are going to keep the dispenser informed of the changes you make. i suppose they could download from your aids the current settings. good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gary1001 View Post
    brec, are you going to try programming before or after your dispenser visits are complete? just wondering how you are going to keep the dispenser informed of the changes you make. i suppose they could download from your aids the current settings. good luck.
    My dispenser is a couple of thousand miles away from where I live -- I bought them while traveling. The nearest Connect Hearing to me is a 2 1/4 hour drive. The original dispenser knew of and had no problem with my self-fitting intention. My hearing loss is a standard age-related pattern and I've had no problems with them in the first six days -- indeed, on the second day I went back and requested that they be set for 100% of target up from 90% -- so I'm not expecting the need for more visits. Certainly there are no significant annoyances -- a few times a day I assure myself that they're installed by touching one of them. I expect to experiment with various programs and various button functionality. But yes, the config can be downloaded from the HAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvc View Post
    Yes that is correct. Yes, in-ear procedures can be used.
    Thanks.

    Progress report: I've modified two serial cables using RJ-45 modular connectors and couplers to splice as previously noted. I connected all six wires, as that was easier than determining which two aren't used. The modified cables test good end-to-end with signals 3 and 4 swapped. I have CS44 cables, so with those plugged into the modded serial cables I have DIY CS44a cables. I'll post more details by and by on the CS44->CS44a thread. But meanwhile:

    The USPS just delivered a Hi-Pro USB. Stay tuned to see whether I can get it working with Win7 virtualized on a Mac...

    (No way I could have gotten to this point without you, pvc. Thanks!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by brec View Post
    TThe USPS just delivered a Hi-Pro USB. Stay tuned to see whether I can get it working with Win7 virtualized on a Mac...
    Egad! Target 4.1 sees the Hi-Pro USB! I didn't try to install the drivers on the CD; Mac OS saw the device name and identifying data, and Win7 via VirtualBox thus saw it too; after I selected the Hi-Pro from a VirtualBox menu of various USB-connected devices, Win7 went off for a while looking for a driver on the net and evidently found what it needed.

    Next: how is the CS44[a] connector oriented to the HA? Imagine that the HA is being worn; does the wire from the connector trail off behind the ear or in front of the ear? The photo above, with the connector close to the HA but not inserted, suggests to me the wire trails off behind, but I'm not positive. The connector and the pins in the HA are so tiny... I can't find a mating position for which insertion is easy, and I don't want to apply undue force.

    Edit: see next post.
    Last edited by brec; 04-27-2015 at 04:18 PM.
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    OK, I was able to insert them as I inferred from the photo.

    The HAs are getting power from the Hi-Pro but Target 4.1 doesn't see them

    "Detect was not successful." "No hearing instrument detected."
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    Quote Originally Posted by brec View Post
    OK, I was able to insert them as I inferred from the photo.

    The HAs are getting power from the Hi-Pro but Target 4.1 doesn't see them

    "Detect was not successful." "No hearing instrument detected."
    Sometimes I wonder why i get "No hearing instrument detected" and it's because I forgot to insert the DIY convertors into the cable path. Also the CS44 cable needs to be snugly plugged into the HA. But in this case it is likely the VirtualBox emulation?? Maybe try it on the old Win-Xp Laptop?

    We let the cables drape in front of the ears.
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