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    Hi, one question I ask myself with the hearing aids, is the if they amplify the frequencies you don't hear very well, isn't it at the same time dangerous that they cause even more damage to that frequency range ? Usually when you amplify sounds it puts even more stress on those frequencies ? That's a part I'm not sure about, I really hope that new treatments will see the light that can repair your inner ear, I guess it will be possible, but when ? Are there any people having found their Tinnitus being more agressive over years using those aids ?

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    Hi,

    hearing aids work with compression. Also, they donīt fully restore your hearing to 0 dB loss.

    If you have, for instance, 60 dB hearing loss at 3 kHz, then for soft input (50 dB), you get maybe 30 dB amplification, for 65 input 20 dB amplification, for 80 dB only 5 dB amplification. Then you have the mpo (maximum power output), which is an absolute barrier. This is often set to values between 90 and 100 dB, so you wonīt ever get a sound louder than the mpo at that frequency from your aid.

    Problems might arise when:
    - you have severe hearing loss, then you need high amplification to understand speech, thus you might in fact hurt your residual hearing
    - the aids are not set up correctly
    - you are exposed to loud sounds for a long time

    I mean the following with the last point: If you are exposed to levels about 60 - 70 dB the whole day, then the aid does in fact even increase this level. Thus, the total dose of noise is increased, which might - even if itīs not extremely loud - hurt your hearing over time.

    As a musician you will already have guessed by now that all this compression is noticeable.

    But generally, modern hearing aids are quite safe to use.
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    Hz 0.125 0.25 0.5 1 2 3 4 6 8 10
    left 14 14 26 30 42 45 50 52 52 65

    Level of Discomfort right: 80 - 85 dB, left: 85 - 90 dB

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvkemp View Post
    My hearing aids do not have the masker in it but I do have the streamer and an app on my smartphone that I stream the white noise to my hearing aids when I need it. But most of the time instead of the white noise I will stream so music and that is even better.
    I don't stream anything as I don't like the streamers. So a built in masker works better for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansextra View Post
    I don't stream anything as I don't like the streamers. So a built in masker works better for me.
    I love the streamer, in fact it is the only way I can hear my phones, or the TV, At least to understand what is being said. I could not live with out the streamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvkemp View Post
    I love the streamer, in fact it is the only way I can hear my phones, or the TV, At least to understand what is being said. I could not live with out the streamer.
    I understand. I just don't want a device hanging around my neck or stuck to my shirt collar.
    Phonak V90 312T w/ Tinnitus Masker

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    Thank you, good to hear it works with compression to avoid peaks, in the next week I'm going to have a few appointments, first with a specialist for my teath too, because I noticed my tinnitus is worse when I eat apples for example, so there may be a link to my muscles around the mouth too ...

    I've also been reading some forums and it seems that some people seem to have good results with the laser therapie from DR Wilden, it's very expensive, but if famous people go there it might also be because he's having results too. Such a complex situation and so few solutions (or very expensive ones) ...

    cheers,

    Hans


    Quote Originally Posted by Musician_72 View Post
    Hi,

    hearing aids work with compression. Also, they donīt fully restore your hearing to 0 dB loss.

    If you have, for instance, 60 dB hearing loss at 3 kHz, then for soft input (50 dB), you get maybe 30 dB amplification, for 65 input 20 dB amplification, for 80 dB only 5 dB amplification. Then you have the mpo (maximum power output), which is an absolute barrier. This is often set to values between 90 and 100 dB, so you wonīt ever get a sound louder than the mpo at that frequency from your aid.

    Problems might arise when:
    - you have severe hearing loss, then you need high amplification to understand speech, thus you might in fact hurt your residual hearing
    - the aids are not set up correctly
    - you are exposed to loud sounds for a long time

    I mean the following with the last point: If you are exposed to levels about 60 - 70 dB the whole day, then the aid does in fact even increase this level. Thus, the total dose of noise is increased, which might - even if itīs not extremely loud - hurt your hearing over time.

    As a musician you will already have guessed by now that all this compression is noticeable.

    But generally, modern hearing aids are quite safe to use.

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    Question, why is tinnitus sounding harder when you are chewing ? For example my Tinnitus sounds are very high frequencies which become harder when I chew on something, if the tinnitus sound is in the head and not the ear, why are they amplified when chewing ?

    thanks,

    Hans

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    Hi,

    your muscles in the jaw are very close to the acoustic nerves. I also experience what you describe. I did physiotherapy for my jaw, which helped to some extent. I somewhat ruined my jaw with a bad singing teacher who told me to force open my mouth too wide, I must be careful now to not open it too wide, I can open my mouth more than normal, but I must not do it.
    right 15 19 23 25 42 44 46 47 49 50
    Hz 0.125 0.25 0.5 1 2 3 4 6 8 10
    left 14 14 26 30 42 45 50 52 52 65

    Level of Discomfort right: 80 - 85 dB, left: 85 - 90 dB

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    Ah good tip, i'll see with the doctors here and will follow their suggestions, thanks.

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    I'm not sure if the following study has already been mentioned. I found it very illuminating.
    Peltier E, Peltier C, Tahar S, Alliot-Lugaz E, Cazals Y. Long-Term Tinnitus Suppression with Linear Octave Frequency Transposition Hearing Aids. PLoS One. 2012;7(12). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0051915.
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