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    "the leash tends to BOING outta my ears,"

    Bluejay -
    I've trimmed my "leashes" down to length with a nail clipper - take a little at a time as you can't add it back if you cut too much off!
    The OPN leashes "collar" bump around the back of the receiver irritated my ear canal though so the Audi slid the collar (and attached leash) off.
    I've never looked back...



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    AHH! That is exactly the tip I need here! I was afraid to nip my leash for fear I'd get it to a short stubby length that would JAB my ear somehow. I absolutely LOVE the leash! It helps me guide the dome into my canal as well as remove the aids without pulling on the receiver every day. I also think I need my ear wire re-shaped and shortened. Ideally, just following the wire down in front of the ears with your index finger should ensure a QUICK insertion of the dome. But I'm definitely wiggle-waggling, twisting and turning these wire/leashes like a corkscrew to actually get the (L) power dome to seat right in my ears.

    I find all's GOOD when I put my hands over my ears and there is not one bit of feedback at all. This is another thing I love about the Opn flexible dome vs my old Agil Pro hard-case mold. FIT. It's critical.

    Thanks so much for your advice! I will get my clippers out and see where we go with this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketmahn View Post
    "the leash tends to BOING outta my ears,"

    Bluejay -
    I've trimmed my "leashes" down to length with a nail clipper - take a little at a time as you can't add it back if you cut too much off!
    The OPN leashes "collar" bump around the back of the receiver irritated my ear canal though so the Audi slid the collar (and attached leash) off.
    I've never looked back...



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    Think I'll seal the deal soon with these, might be testing another run with widex or siemens, but will go with c-shell and 100dB once decided. No matter what people say about their "disappointment" they still sound better than anything out there and get the job done better... no matter how close they get to the marketing promise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gery_R View Post
    No matter what people say about their "disappointment" they still sound better than anything out there and get the job done better... no matter how close they get to the marketing promise...
    I think the disappointment is due to the marketing hype that set up the expectation way too high and incorrectly, especially on the noise reduction which makes people compare its noise reduction against the old traditional way. But you're right that it still sounds better than many things out there.

    After having had it for about 6 weeks now, and after understanding how/where they apply noise reduction better now, based on reading up on their white paper and watching their seminar on audiologyonline.com, which does a great job of explaining how they apply noise reduction differently than the traditional way, I found my experience as follows:

    1. I'm not overwhelmed in noisy environments anymore. I think this is just due to the gradual brain hearing adjustment of getting used to the noisy environments as I wear these HAs more often for longer. The ultimate goal here is not expecting the OPN to reduce noise for you. The ultimate goal is to let your brain learn to tune out the noise for you. The same is also true in less noisy environment but there's still a few nagging static noises, like fan noise or road noise. I initially was very annoyed by it but now my brain is also learning to tune it out.

    2. Now that I'm not overwhelmed in noisy environments, and now that I understand better where and how the noise reduction is supposed to be applied, I no longer look for noise reduced ambience as the end result. Instead, I specifically only look for "clearly defined" speech as the end result I try to focus on. Even if it's very noisy around me, as long as I can still understand what's being said in between all the noise, I would consider that "clearly defined" speech as successful attainment of the ultimate goal that Oticon set out to do. I think where Oticon marketing went wrong is trying to oversell noise reduction. What they should really sell is clearly defined speech despite being in a noisy environment. That is the heart of their signal processing strategy. Noise reduction is not the end game. Noise reduction is only as a means to the end game, and the end game is clearly defined speech. Wrong marketing focus, Oticon!

    3. Now that I understand that they use the rear half of the hearing plane as the noise estimate to filter and generate clearly defined speech for the front half, I have lower expectation of being able to hear speech coming from the rear as well. If it's loud spoken speech, I still expect to hear it because they have a Voice Activity Detector that's supposed to freeze the Balance and Noise Removal modules to preserve the speech information even in the rear half of the sound plane. But if it's soft spoken speech, I don't expect to hear it because it gets blended into the rear half of the sound plane and becomes part of the noise estimate. There's nothing I can do about it, but at least I understand enough now to lower my expectation in such situation. An example of this is like when you sit in the front row of a noisy car at freeway speed, and there's a soft spoken female voice in the back row. If the female voice in the back row is not soft spoken, I would expect to hear it OK, although I may have to turn up the volume a notch or two or three. But if it's soft spoken, I'd consider it lost to the noise.
    Last edited by Volusiano; 12-22-2016 at 11:07 PM.
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    Justin, what connectivity can I expect between Oticon's Opn-1s and my Android phone and tablet?

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    I'm still not happy with any kind of noise reduction on these Opns. When I shop at Costco, WholeFoods, Trader Joes, et al, I find the ambient noise SO LOUD that I simply can't hear the cashier. Maybe my brain will learn how to sort out the human voice from the conundrum around it ... but WHY, oh WHY does the onus fall on ME and my poor overworked brain? With my old Agil Pros, I put them in Program #2 (for "NOISY" environments!) and voila! I can hear the human voice from the distracting ambient noise A-OK. It's just discouraging. And what did Oticon say 4 years ago about that benefit, I wonder? Probably something like, "You'll never have to work hard again to understand speech in a noisy place! In fact, your lazy brain can just go "DUUUUUUHHHH!" and you'll still hear absolutely A-OK!" Now which world would YOU rather belong to.

    Yeah, I'm still grousing about basic functionality on these aids that I'll likely buy anyway. But note to Oticon Marketing: Please don't tell me that my old brain will magically LEARN how to separate out speech from a BANGING, cacophonous environment around me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Bluejay View Post
    I'm still not happy with any kind of noise reduction on these Opns. When I shop at Costco, WholeFoods, Trader Joes, et al, I find the ambient noise SO LOUD that I simply can't hear the cashier. Maybe my brain will learn how to sort out the human voice from the conundrum around it ... but WHY, oh WHY does the onus fall on ME and my poor overworked brain? With my old Agil Pros, I put them in Program #2 (for "NOISY" environments!) and voila! I can hear the human voice from the distracting ambient noise A-OK. It's just discouraging. And what did Oticon say 4 years ago about that benefit, I wonder? Probably something like, "You'll never have to work hard again to understand speech in a noisy place! In fact, your lazy brain can just go "DUUUUUUHHHH!" and you'll still hear absolutely A-OK!" Now which world would YOU rather belong to.

    Yeah, I'm still grousing about basic functionality on these aids that I'll likely buy anyway. But note to Oticon Marketing: Please don't tell me that my old brain will magically LEARN how to separate out speech from a BANGING, cacophonous environment around me.
    I hear you, 1Bluejay, about your dissatisfaction with Oticon's new approach to noise reduction. It'd be interesting to see how many other HA mfgs will join the Oticon "Open paradigm" bandwagon, and how many will refute that paradigm as a flawed paradigm and continue to develop noise reduction the traditional way. I guess time will tell how many users will buy into the OPN HA and paradigm and continue to keep them instead of returning them. So far I haven't seen too many reported returns yet. But it's probably still too new to tell. Um Bongo did mention that some of his (or hers?) patients who are a particular brand of HA (Unitron?) don't convert to the OPN well.

    What disturbs me the most is why Oticon can't do both. Obviously they were able to do the traditional noise reduction just fine like everyone else before, apparent from the Agil Pros that 1Bluejay has. So why can't they continue to offer this same technology, on top of the new technology, to help patients have a more seamless transition from the old paradigm to the new paradigm?

    Yeah, Oticon can claim that they offer a directional program in their OPN HAs. But I've tried this directional mode and it doesn't do the same level of noise reduction as I'm used to before with my older HAs. Instead it adds static floor noise to the directional program.

    I would like to hear from others on their experience with Oticon's directional program specifically. Does it seem to do an effective job on noise reduction on the OPN as your old HAs do?
    Last edited by Volusiano; 12-28-2016 at 03:11 AM.
    HA wearer since the 1990's > Rexton Insite+ CIC (2011-2016) > Oticon OPN RITE (2016)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volusiano View Post
    I hear you, 1Bluejay, about your dissatisfaction with Oticon's new approach to noise reduction. It'd be interesting to see how many other HA mfgs will join the Oticon "Open paradigm" bandwagon, and how many will refute that paradigm as a flawed paradigm and continue to develop noise reduction the traditional way. I guess time will tell how many users will buy into the OPN HA and paradigm and continue to keep them instead of returning them. So far I haven't seen too many reported returns yet. But it's probably still too new to tell. Um Bongo did mention that some of his (or hers?) patients who are a particular brand of HA (Unitron?) don't convert to the OPN well.

    What disturbs me the most is why Oticon can't do both. Obviously they were able to do the traditional noise reduction just fine like everyone else before, apparent from the Agil Pros that 1Bluejay has. So why can't they continue to offer this same technology, on top of the new technology, to help patients have a more seamless transition from the old paradigm to the new paradigm?

    Yeah, Oticon can claim that they offer a directional program in their OPN HAs. But I've tried this directional mode and it doesn't do the same level of noise reduction as I'm used to before with my older HAs. Instead it adds static floor noise to the directional program.

    I would like to hear from others on their experience with Oticon's directional program specifically. Does it seem to do an effective job on noise reduction on the OPN as your old HAs do?
    I had some tweaks done at my last fitting that seemed to help at least with ambient noises. The main program was tweaked to be less aggressive with the "open" approach since my main complaint was that ambient sounds were actually being amplified. I'm still getting used to the new program tweaks, but I think they made somewhat of a positive improvement with speech in noise. I had 2 noisy Christmas parties this past weekend that I got through fairly well hearing-wise. I have a separate noise program that I think I will ask to be turned into a more traditional directional program and see how that compares to the general program when there is noise in the background (which is basically always for me).
    Tony
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abarsanti View Post
    I had some tweaks done at my last fitting that seemed to help at least with ambient noises. The main program was tweaked to be less aggressive with the "open" approach since my main complaint was that ambient sounds were actually being amplified. I'm still getting used to the new program tweaks, but I think they made somewhat of a positive improvement with speech in noise. I had 2 noisy Christmas parties this past weekend that I got through fairly well hearing-wise. I have a separate noise program that I think I will ask to be turned into a more traditional directional program and see how that compares to the general program when there is noise in the background (which is basically always for me).
    Thanks for sharing on this, Tony. And glad to hear that the tweaks seems to help you on the noise issue.

    Do you know specifically what the tweaks were? You mentioned that the main program was tweaked to be less aggressive with the open approach. Exactly what does that mean? Which parameter did the audi tweak specifically?

    And it sounds like the tweaks you had wasn't by having a traditional directional program, because you're saying that you want to try the traditional directional program next. I would love to hear your opinion once you have tried to the OPN traditional directional mode to see how well it works for you. Obviously as I mentioned before, it doesn't seem to work well for me, so I'd love to compare notes to see if it's just me or if other people think the same way. Thanks.
    HA wearer since the 1990's > Rexton Insite+ CIC (2011-2016) > Oticon OPN RITE (2016)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volusiano View Post
    Thanks for sharing on this, Tony. And glad to hear that the tweaks seems to help you on the noise issue.

    Do you know specifically what the tweaks were? You mentioned that the main program was tweaked to be less aggressive with the open approach. Exactly what does that mean? Which parameter did the audi tweak specifically?

    And it sounds like the tweaks you had wasn't by having a traditional directional program, because you're saying that you want to try the traditional directional program next. I would love to hear your opinion once you have tried to the OPN traditional directional mode to see how well it works for you. Obviously as I mentioned before, it doesn't seem to work well for me, so I'd love to compare notes to see if it's just me or if other people think the same way. Thanks.
    I have the programming kit which Buyhear uses to remotely adjust the aids so I can view the screen real-time for the different settings that are being adjusted. There's an option where they can choose low, medium or high for how aggressively "noise" is handled. There's several different options to be honest. My prior setting was set at "high" and now they are at "medium." He made that adjustment after I complained that ambient sounds were being amplified. And correct, I do not have a directional program set up right now, but I plan to ask for one in to be set up.
    Tony
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    Previously: Bernafon Juna 9s with Soundgate 3
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    Word Recognition, 60% at 70 db (left), 96% at 65db (right)
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