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Thread: Resound Alera vs. Future

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemguy View Post
    Costco’s Futures (F861-DRW) with the Alera 9’s (AL961-DRW)

    Seams to me the answer is obvious with the model number, 861 is right between 761 and 961
    250....15
    500....20
    1000...25
    1500...30
    2000...40
    3000...65
    4000...60
    6000...60
    8000...50

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    Didn't know about it being a Future 861-DRW but then it does indeed make sense. I did have my audi get the info on the settings for the Alera 961 (and she even included the 761), but they are at work. I missed a few days as I've been a sick, but I'll (hopefully) get them posted on Monday.

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    Here's the programming info that my audiologist sent me regarding the Resound Aleras:

    961: 4 User Programs + Phone Now + Phone Clip + Streamers
    761: 3 User Programs + Phone Now + Phone Clip + Streamers

    961: 9 Gain Handles for adjustment
    761: 7 Gain Handles for adjustment

    961: Environmental Optimizer: Environmental Optimizer II
    761: Environmental Optimizer: None

    961: Directionality: Natural Directionality II, Softswitching w/Autoscope, Multiscope w/Autoscope, Fixed
    761: Directionality: Softswitching, Multiscope withOUT Autoscope, Fixed

    961: Beamwidth: Autoscope only (option can’t be changed)
    761: Beamwidth: Narrow, Medium, Wide (no Autoscope)

    961: Expansion: Off, Mild, Moderate, Strong
    761: Expansion: Off, Mild, Moderate

    961: Noise Tracker II: Off, Mild, Moderate, Considerable, Strong, Per Environment
    761: Noise Tracker II: Off, Mild, Moderate, Considerable

    961: Directional Mix: Very Low, Low, Medium, High
    761: Directional Mix: Option Not Available

    961: DFS Ultra: Off, Mild, Moderate, Strong
    761: DFS Ultra: Off, Mild, Moderate

    Separately the warranty is also different as listed below:
    961: 3 Years If Broken, 3 Years If Lost
    761: 2 Years If Broken, 2 Years If Lost
    Futures (861?): 3 Years if Broken, 2 Years If Lost

    This should be more than enough information to determine exactly how the Resound Alera hearing aids compare to their Costco Future counterparts. All that is needed now is someone familiar with the Costco programming software to chime in with their options…

    Anyone???

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    That's a great chart, Battery Ears! More informative than the ReSound chart for the Alera on ReSound's website...

    Some of these features which go to programming flexibility in stepping up to the 961 above the 761... the 961 upgrade, as I recall, adds about $800 to the Alera 761 price...may or may not give improved performance from a patient perspective. Sometimes these things are more important to marketing. Try before you buy and ask your audiologist for his or her reasoning if the audiologist is recommending the 961 and if cost is a factor for you.
    Last edited by hamjor; 03-30-2011 at 01:21 PM.
    2013 Audiogram
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    Speech disc:
    L: 100% at 60 dB
    R: 100% at 60 dB

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    Glad you like it! I agree with hamjor about making certain the options are worth the price difference. However, these aids are so expensive anyway that, for me, it wasn't even a question! Also, I have a fantastic audi and she allowed me to trial both a 7 and a 9 and I can say for certain that the Environmental Optimizer II option alone is worth the additional money. Also, the only DFS Ultra setting that never produces feedback for me was "strong" which was only available in the 9s. Also, with my hearing (or lack thereof) the Directional Mix makes a noticable difference as well. I chose to disable the Natural Directionality II, but I know a few people that think it's one of the best options available in Resound aids. If so you'll have no choice but to step up to the 9. Lastly, there is one thing that is a bit of a bummer in the 9s... the directional beamwidth cannot be adjusted manually (as indicated in the chart) like it can in the lower model 7s. I asked about this and the audi called into Resound and after being transferred back and forth we were told that all of the extra code of the Autoscope (automatically adjusted beamwidth) fills up the available code space so the manual options needed to be deleted. Although I don't have a major fault with Autoscope, I personally would have rather had the ability to manually adjust it instead of it always attempting to self adjust.

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    That's fine! For you, then, the 9's were definitely the right buy!
    2013 Audiogram
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    Speech disc:
    L: 100% at 60 dB
    R: 100% at 60 dB

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemguy View Post
    I sent the following email to Resound Costco support. The reply was general that I should do trials to figure out the differences for myself or work it out with my professional.

    To: Resound Costco Support (Bloomington)
    I am trying to compare Costco’s Futures (F861-DRW) with the Alera 9’s (AL961-DRW). It looks like both have the 9 gain handles, but one spec sheet I got from Costsco had the F861’s as having 12 Warp compression bands while the Alera 9’s [and Alera 7’s] have 17. Is that right?
    Looking through the technical, it also looked like the Futures didn’t have the Alera 9’s “Adjustable direction mix,” “Personalized noise reduction,” or “Environmental Optimizer II.”
    Also, I couldn’t tell if the Futures “DFS Ultra” and “NoiseTracker II” programming were the same as the Alera 9’s “Ultimate”, or more like the Alera 7’s “Advanced” or the Alera 5’s “Standard”.

    Thanks to everyone for their posts. I am new to this process.
    Only ReSound knows this answer for sure, and maybe a few people at Costco, but probably not the Hearing Aid Dept. pros in the Costco stores. In any event, I'm not at all surprised by the non-answer you got. They're ALL going to duck this question (or blow smoke up your tailpipe, if one does seem to answer your question) because neither Costco nor ReSound wants to be pinned down on it in writing. It's not in ReSound's, Costco's, or private audiologists' interests for ReSound to be open and honest with this proprietary info. Sure, it's in the consumer's interest, but between ReSound, Costco, audiologists, and consumers, guess who's odd man out when playing Musical Chairs? That's it, Skippy: you are!

    ReSound is trying to capture two competing markets with one device: they're trying to get the market of aid-wearers served by private audiologists, and they're trying to get the market of Costco shoppers primarily driven by price. If they take sides, which they could be perceived as doing if they answer your question openly and honestly, they're going to tick off the other side. So they'll duck it. It may even be part of the contract between ReSound and Costco, not to get too specific about the differences.

    If the Costco Future meets your basic needs (such as how many custom programs you have), my guess is you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference with an Alera using both in the field if you hadn't been told which one cost more. If that seems to answer your question about which one to go with, I'd say, not necessarily. Other important factors, such as the quality of the fit and the audiologist you might work with either privately or at Costco, and/or the convenience of the locations, could be as important as price, depending also on your budget.
    Last edited by hamjor; 03-30-2011 at 06:26 PM.
    2013 Audiogram
    Hz250.....0500...1000…...1500…..2000....3000....40 00...6000....8000
    L...20.......15........30........40........40..... ..45.......40.......55........65
    R...15.......20........30........40........40..... ..30.......55.......55........65

    Speech disc:
    L: 100% at 60 dB
    R: 100% at 60 dB

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    My wife got a pair of Future HAs at Costco last week. They have four programs, (1) Natural Directional (2) Restaurant (3) Party (4) Music. She's never used aids before, so can't compare. Cost was $2,600 for the pair. The asking price from the Audiologist at the ENT office was $5,800 for Alera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernestsprad View Post
    My wife got a pair of Future HAs at Costco last week. They have four programs, (1) Natural Directional (2) Restaurant (3) Party (4) Music. She's never used aids before, so can't compare. Cost was $2,600 for the pair. The asking price from the Audiologist at the ENT office was $5,800 for Alera.
    To clarify, the programs aren't fixed and can be changed at will via the programming software. The Costco Futures do have four setable programs, but it's up to the audi to decide how to program them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battery Ears View Post
    Here's the programming info that my audiologist sent me regarding the Resound Aleras:

    961: 4 User Programs + Phone Now + Phone Clip + Streamers
    761: 3 User Programs + Phone Now + Phone Clip + Streamers

    961: 9 Gain Handles for adjustment
    761: 7 Gain Handles for adjustment

    961: Environmental Optimizer: Environmental Optimizer II
    761: Environmental Optimizer: None

    961: Directionality: Natural Directionality II, Softswitching w/Autoscope, Multiscope w/Autoscope, Fixed
    761: Directionality: Softswitching, Multiscope withOUT Autoscope, Fixed

    961: Beamwidth: Autoscope only (option can’t be changed)
    761: Beamwidth: Narrow, Medium, Wide (no Autoscope)

    961: Expansion: Off, Mild, Moderate, Strong
    761: Expansion: Off, Mild, Moderate

    961: Noise Tracker II: Off, Mild, Moderate, Considerable, Strong, Per Environment
    761: Noise Tracker II: Off, Mild, Moderate, Considerable

    961: Directional Mix: Very Low, Low, Medium, High
    761: Directional Mix: Option Not Available

    961: DFS Ultra: Off, Mild, Moderate, Strong
    761: DFS Ultra: Off, Mild, Moderate

    Separately the warranty is also different as listed below:
    961: 3 Years If Broken, 3 Years If Lost
    761: 2 Years If Broken, 2 Years If Lost
    Futures (861?): 3 Years if Broken, 2 Years If Lost

    This should be more than enough information to determine exactly how the Resound Alera hearing aids compare to their Costco Future counterparts. All that is needed now is someone familiar with the Costco programming software to chime in with their options…

    Anyone???

    Thanks again Battery Ears. Was anyone able to find the specs for the Futures? Has anyone heard any more about the differences between the Alera 9s and the Futures? I can purchase the 9's through Hearing Revolution for $1999 each. Remote included. Audi visits for a year. Or I can go with the Futures. I just want to make sure, since I'm spending all this $$) that I get everything I could use. (not that I couldn't use saving money in the process.)

    One other thing. I stopped at Costco the other day to look at the size of the Futures. When I asked the audi/despenser if he could take one out so I could compare it next to my Deltas, he got very testy asking me if I wanted to buy today and if I were only buying the aid based on the size. Long story short. I did not like him, nor would I want him to be in charge of my adjustments. I'm assuming there's more than one person at their Hearing Centers.

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